This is not Adam King

By Chee Yih Yang, The Star Online
Tuesday, July 23, 2002 03:15 PM
PETALING JAYA, Malaysia--Most people would know who Adam King is by now, what with the recent advertisement blitz by Guinness in the newspapers and all. He’s a fictitious character created by the Irish stout maker to better market the brand in Malaysia, Hong Kong and Singapore.

But who the heck is Josh Lim? He’s a Malaysian freelance Web developer who acquired the domain name--www.whoisadamking.com--three days after Guinness unveiled who Adam King was following about a month of teaser ads. Lim’s Web site went live about four days after that.

This puts a fly in Guinness’ ointment, or in this case, glass of stout, because the company has www.malaysia.net/adamking/ as the Web site for its US$8mil (RM30mil) creation while Lim’s site is easily mistaken for the official Adam King site.

Naturally, Guinness Anchor Bhd Malaysia is foaming at the mouth over Lim’s action.

“Guinness is taking this very seriously because the creator of the whoisadamking Web site is manipulating members of the public into believing this site is associated with the Guinness Adam King campaign,” said Ng Yoke Pun, general manager for marketing at Guinness Malaysia, in an e-mail interview.

“We are concerned because people are being tricked into sending their personal details for more information on Adam King, which they will not be getting from a legitimate source,” he said. “We urge members of the public to immediately cease accessing the whoisadamking Web site.”

Lim’s Web site requests for personal details from visitors if they wish to find out more on why the whoisadamking site does not belong to Guinness or the Adam King in the advertisements.

As at press time, Guinness’ legal department is “looking at the possibility of initiating legal action against the site creator for wrongful use of its trademark,” according to Ng.

Guinness Malaysia announced that the unendorsed site would not affect its ongoing Adam King advertising campaign.

Lim said his intentions were not malicious and that he just wanted to drive home the point that companies and organisations cannot ignore their Web presence anymore.

“I check for domain names every now and then,” he claimed and added that he was very surprised to find that www.whoisadamking.com was not owned by anyone after he saw Guinness’ Adam King advertisements.

“It cost me only RM60 (US$16) to register the domain name, and the whole registration process took only hours,” said Lim. He believes that Guinness should have registered all Adam King related domain names in the first place.

Lim also claimed that the Adam King name is not copyrighted and that it should not be because there could be real people with that name.

He is surprised that he has heard very little from Guinness Malaysia and said that he has only received a warning via e-mail by Guinness’ Adam King, claiming that the beverage company “would be initiating charges of fraud, impersonation, infringement of copyright, and wrongful use of a trademark” against him.

“I’m really interested to find out what they can do to me, and I would like to know why they can’t communicate with me in a more official manner,” Lim said in an interview.

“You cannot ignore your Web presence, and I feel that this could’ve been worse since some other parties might have used the site in a more harmful manner,” he added.


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I think that Josh saying is true. Guinness Anchor Bhd Malaysia shall registered their trademark to secure the whole misunderstanding. They should know that Internet nowadays are used to obtain more information.
Posted by Jeffrey on Wednesday, July 24 2002 09:33 AM

Josh Lim is simply a cyber squatter, hoping to earn a quick buck out of his malicious scheme.
Posted by vader on Wednesday, July 24 2002 10:06 AM

Guiness should be bending over for Josh Lim. They should be thinking of how to nego a buy-over deal from Josh, rather than trying to sue him. Sue him for what anyways? For legally registering a domain name?

Guiness, do yourself a favour, don't dig the hole you are in bigger. Just admit your guys made a HUGE booboo, sack the campaign managers, and try to buy the domain names back.

OR, if u guys don't think web presence is important enough, why even bother making a ruccuss?
Posted by PiSCaRGoT on Wednesday, July 24 2002 10:47 AM

Even though Josh Lim may be looking to make money, A company as large as guiness should know better. Blame the marketing people and get on with business. In soccer you never blame the the player kicking the ball if the goalie is not ready for him!
Posted by Julie McL on Wednesday, July 24 2002 02:16 PM

Good on you Josh. Those who are unaware or who are not willing to accept the fact that web presence is important shouldn't rave and rant now. I agree with Julie, Piscargot and Jeffery - fire the campaign managers, talk to Josh, sort the mess out and MOVE ON!

Continuing to rave and rant over the thing only highlights how short sighted the Guiness is or was in this case.

Learn and move on.
Posted by Rajesh Wadhwani on Wednesday, July 24 2002 02:52 PM

Just a thought, shouldn't the links mentioned in the article be made into hyperlinks? Doesn't make too much sense to make the user copy and paste :)
Posted by anonymous on Wednesday, July 24 2002 03:46 PM

Someone had written:

=//start of quote

It's always good to support the underdogs but you may like to know
that before he was found out, Josh was collecting people's personal details by misleading ppl into believing that his domains were associated with the Guinness campaign.

According to someone at Guinness, there is proof of this.

Only when he was confronted by the threat of legal action has he upped the ante to maximise publicity - and then offer counsel on web-desgn.

Being a cybersquatter is one thing. Preying on the unsuspecting
surfer is another.

A little cyber-mischief can land you in hot soup - that is what Josh
is discovering.

On one hand Josh says we should take Internet presence seriously, but
before that he takes everyone else for a ride.

How this pans out will determine really how serious we can and should
take the Internet, and well, ... people like him. Clever he is. Real
wiley ... he also is.

=//end of quote
Posted by KKK on Thursday, July 25 2002 02:47 AM

There are two issues here.
1. Guiness didn't think to register it. If Josh hadn't - they would never have done so. They are pissed that somebody else did. Their mistake. It is not a trade mark - it is an advertising campaign.
2. Apparently Josh started off by passing off his site as something connected (or at least did not distinguish his site from the campaign) leading people to think that they were submitting info to a "reputable?" organisation. That - if it happened as described - is very naughty and is passing yourself off as somebody else.

So pro's and cons
Posted by Dave Appleton on Sunday, July 28 2002 10:25 AM

It seems that Guiness does not seem to even bother about getting the .com.my, someone just registered whoisadamking.com.my

D'oh!
Posted by CL on Monday, July 29 2002 10:34 AM

If all the companies registered all the words, phrases and taglines associated with their brands and advertising campaigns, imagine how rich certain Internet ISPs would be.

Josh Lim is a devious, publicity-seeking, cybersquatting prankster masquerading as a new media professional.

There is evidence that he advertised the URL on several bulletin boards on the Internet before he was found out. And then he shamelessly says that the domain enjoyed hits because people guessed the domain name.

Cybersquatters give the Internet and domain registration a great diservice.
Posted by Lucien Montreal on Tuesday, July 30 2002 01:28 AM

I think this a good lesson for guinness to take the web advertising more seriously. This is a message to the advertising industry as a whole. Get your act together!
Posted by anonymous on Tuesday, July 30 2002 11:19 AM

Web designers, programmers and kids who surf all their lives would miss Adam King online.

Real marketers know the market isn't here, it's out there in the real world.

The hype that surrounds the Internet only excites those who desperately need a life.

Young Josh should first experience life in a real advertising agency situation, sit with clients and the different agencies one brand works with, and then he may realise there is more to the industry than the hype surrounding Blairwitch Project.
Posted by Simon Sandler on Tuesday, July 30 2002 01:45 PM

I agree futhermore with what Dave Appleton posted. It's true that the
company should be booking the domain
name at first place. Unwise and
unprofessional for Guiness. Put blame
on a web designers. such a loser they
are....
Posted by Muid Latif on Friday, August 02 2002 12:14 PM

Dear Simon Sandler and Lucien Montreal,

Get off youse high horses. You're only sore cos Josh beat you to it. Activist my ass - go back home and ask mummy to wipe your snot from yer nose, Josh's the real activist here.

Gotta let y'all know that the Adam Kong ads make good ass wipes. Love that fibre!
Posted by Adam on Thursday, August 08 2002 01:22 PM

Hey - when is Guinoss gonna run the "This is Adamina Queen" ads I heard them talking about the udder day? I'm getting really sick of Mr. King's ugly mug, even if it is half covered by the time I finish with it in the toilet.

Gotta really love that fibre!
Posted by Adam_"_Kiss_my_ass_"_King on Thursday, August 08 2002 01:29 PM

Adam is Eve's boy friend.
The only King I know is Elvis The King if rock and roll.
Therefore, Adam King must be King of all
Eves' who like to rock & roll
Posted by anonymous on Friday, August 09 2002 01:25 PM

fire the adam king project team for their incompetence...........
Posted by ninelives on Tuesday, August 13 2002 11:53 AM

If anything about Adam King being a photojournalist extraordinaire is anything to go by, guess the ads campaign people doesn't know much about what it takes to be the real thing. Even the guy looking as Adam King doesn't have the haggard, no sleep, bedworn and seriousness like most photojournalists. Spiderman alter ego has better luck being Adam King than him.
Posted by Arbani HMA on Monday, August 19 2002 01:09 AM

i am the real adam king.so give me some money and u can use my photo then this will be the real adam king.
Posted by adam king on Tuesday, April 22 2003 12:40 AM

I would disagree. As a Malaysian designer myself, I would say that Josh is one of the more prolific local designers with a distinctive style. Which is a reputation he had well before this happened, and it was really for his work.

These links will probably speak for themslves:

www.josh.com.my
www.promuda.com...
Posted by anonymous on Saturday, June 28 2003 11:44 PM

I don't care who Adam King is! But anybody know who that hunky guy in that guinness ad??? Is he chinese????
Posted by Mrs Queen on Thursday, June 24 2004 08:26 AM

This idiat is an fictional propaganda but the money grabbing firm. Why the asian chosen must look like a farang, pakeha, angmoh, white man, big nose and all?
Posted by NotImpressed on Wednesday, April 12 2006 08:28 PM


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