Apple pushes to unmask product leaker

By Declan McCullagh, CNET News.com
Friday, April 21, 2006 11:23 AM

A California court in San Jose on Thursday is scheduled to hear a case brought by Apple Computer that eventually could answer an unsettled legal question: Should online journalists receive the same rights as traditional reporters?

Apple claims they should not. Its lawyers say in court documents that Web scribes are not "legitimate members of the press" when they reveal details about forthcoming products that the company would prefer to keep confidential.

That argument has drawn stiff opposition from bloggers and traditional journalists. But it did seem to be sufficient to convince Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge James P. Kleinberg, who ruled in March 2005 that Apple's attempt to subpoena the electronic records of an Apple news site could proceed.

"Unlike the whistleblower who discloses a health, safety or welfare hazard affecting all, or the government employee who reveals mismanagement or worse by our public officials, (the Macintosh news sites) are doing nothing more than feeding the public's insatiable desire for information," Kleinberg wrote at the time.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is representing the Apple news site PowerPage.org, is hoping the appeals court will pull the plug on a subpoena that could yield details about who leaked information about a FireWire audio interface for GarageBand that has been codenamed "Asteroid." The subpoena is on hold during the appeal.

"The California Court of Appeals has a long history of protecting freedom of the press," Kurt Opsahl, an EFF staff attorney who is arguing the case, said on Wednesday. "We're hopeful they'll continue to do so."

In the lawsuit, filed in late 2004, Apple is not suing the Mac news sites directly, but instead has focused on still-unnamed "John Doe" defendants. The subpoena has been sent to Nfox.com, PowerPage's e-mail provider, which says it will comply if legally permitted.

Even though the AppleInsider site also published information about the Asteroid device, it operated its own e-mail service and would have been able to raise a stronger First Amendment claim if it had been sent a subpoena. (In a separate case, Apple directly sued another enthusiast site, Think Secret, alleging that it infringed on Apple's trade secret in soliciting inside information.)

The types of articles about Apple that Jason O'Grady, PowerPage.org's creator, posts every few days don't seem that different from those that many news organizations produce. They include reports on Apple's patent disputes, benchmarks of software performance, reviews of software and news about upcoming products that have not officially been announced.

Being the first to publish news about forthcoming products--as long as the information is accurate--is generally regarded by journalists as a coup. CNET News.com was the first to report, for instance, that Apple was switching from PowerPC processors to Intel chips last year. (Full disclosure: O'Grady has begun writing a blog for ZDNet, also owned by CNET.)


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Why should "Freedom of the Press" be reserved for so-called "legitimate" journalists. A substitute term for legitimate journalists could be "official purveyors of propaganda." Of course, the thinking here is that only professional writers have any press freedoms as bloggers don't have the same rights as these elitists.
Posted by Daniel S. Mahan on Friday, April 21 2006 09:38 PM

Mr. Mahan said it too politely about Apple claiming Web scribes are not "legitimate members of the press."

It my experience that there are more bastards in the "pulp" than on the "Web"!
Posted by Peter McBrien on Friday, April 21 2006 10:14 PM

Apple is legally entitled to protect its property. This case is less about freedom of the press and more about discovering where the information came from.

The original source of the leak without question is bound by non-disclosure and confidential agreements. Corporate and business espionage with or without intent is a crime.

How exactly does the public benefit from knowing in advance about FireWire developments other than to fuel anticipation? We are not entited to that unless APPLE chooses to disclose it.

"Loose lips sink ships!"
Posted by David Galvis on Saturday, April 22 2006 01:13 AM

If it Can??????
Apple has always been 'Paranoid" about its up-coming products.
You can't blame them, Bill Gates steals everything he can get his hands on, but it anything hits the net, is fair game.
Just like your garbage can on a public sidewalk.
Apple just needs to do a better job at security and stop blaming everyone else, when the "Cat's Out of the Bag"
Posted by Gary Fox on Saturday, April 22 2006 02:13 AM

THis is hilarious watching these appletons defend Apple. If the author substituted Microsoft with Apple id be willing to bet all of these guys would be SCREAMING about MS's unfair buisness practices etc. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Posted by satanicmechanic on Saturday, April 22 2006 02:21 AM

This is a travesty of information and freedom of the press.

Another big corporation whose rights are being placed ahead of the freedom to communicate and freedom of speech!

People who create Journalistic articles are no different than those from the AP and other organizations. Here is how you can tell. Go to Fox News, the New York times on the internet. Are their news articles posted online. Than they use the net. What's the big difference between a writer of a major newspaper who posts news online and an author of a online news organization including bloggers? There is no difference. News is news, text is text. A website is a website and thats where it stays. Hopefully the courts will recognize this travesty by Steve JOBS of Rotten Apple Computing.
Posted by anonymous on Saturday, April 22 2006 02:26 AM

This is a travesty of information and freedom of the press.

Another big corporation whose rights are being placed ahead of the freedom to communicate and freedom of speech!

People who create Journalistic articles are no different than those from the AP and other organizations. Here is how you can tell. Go to Fox News, the New York times on the internet. Are their news articles posted online. Than they use the net. What's the big difference between a writer of a major newspaper who posts news online and an author of a online news organization including bloggers? There is no difference. News is news, text is text. A website is a website and thats where it stays. Hopefully the courts will recognize this travesty by Steve Blo. JOBS of Rotten Apple Computing.
Posted by anonymous on Saturday, April 22 2006 02:28 AM

So now Apple gets to dictate who is a "legitimate member of the press"?! Talk about arrogance...
Posted by Steve Japes on Saturday, April 22 2006 02:35 AM

Anyone can be a journalist. It's plain stupid to play the profession game. What irks me is that someone can even get away with telling trade secrets. Who cares who the press is, they shouldn't be blabbing about another company's technology.
Posted by anonymous on Saturday, April 22 2006 03:04 AM

So we have a ROTTEN Apple. Greed is paramount Steve? I think we need a 'trash that Apple' day. A judge in Californica is not the LAW! The judge and Jobs are not to be allowed to make law. Talk about opportunism at the expense of rights of citizens. Soon we'll have the "blog war" besides the "drug war" which another loutish group of corporations, drug companies, have foisted on this country. Besides the "blog war" we have that Soro's, Feingold, McCain, and Pew Charitable Trust hyped deception to fight.

We know that there was no campaign finance "crisis" either, but to fix that stupid law, they created another, and another, just to CRACK DOWN ON FREE SPEECH and the bloggers who are so very qualified to scrutinize that process.

As such I urge all people trash ALL those Apple products they were just hype anyway and they cannot compare nor compete otherwise.
Posted by anonymous on Saturday, April 22 2006 03:23 AM

If everyone is a journalist, then you can't very well have a special journalists' exception to ignore court requests for information, can you?
Posted by Ronald McDonald on Saturday, April 22 2006 03:54 AM

No Apple does not dictate who is a legitimate member of the press. The courts do. That is why they are in COURT. If Apple dictated, then the issue would havebeen decided long ago. They cannot dictate such a thing and must make thier arguments to the court just as anyone else would.
Posted by RPH on Saturday, April 22 2006 03:56 AM

Does it bother anyone at all that the courts get to decide who a legitimate journalist is in the first place? Especially considering all of the exemptions "journalists" get with regards to the laws concerning campaign finance reform and the like. This is a joke, plain and simple. Either everyone should be shielded or no one should.
Posted by Shivv on Saturday, April 22 2006 04:52 AM

Well, fine, I'll concede that if everyone is a journalist, then you can't give special rights to Journalists and make the rest of US citizens "2nd class" citizens.

Now, could you explain why Journalists need special rights that nobody else needs? And why its only "legitimate" journalists who need this right. Oh, and who gets to determine "legitimate". And finally, why "legitimate" journalists get a monopoly on the benefits of these rights.
Posted by Gekkobear on Saturday, April 22 2006 05:28 AM

Well, fine, I'll concede that if everyone is a journalist, then you can't give special rights to Journalists and make the rest of US citizens "2nd class" citizens.

Now, could you explain why Journalists need special rights that nobody else needs? And why its only "legitimate" journalists who need this right. Oh, and who gets to determine "legitimate". And finally, why "legitimate" journalists get a monopoly on the benefits of these rights.
Posted by Gekkobear on Saturday, April 22 2006 05:28 AM

The Apple executives sound like some of Thomas Sowell's 'benighted' ones.
I would add that writers on the internet are usually more informed and less left wing crazy than the so-called 'mainstream press' or drive-by press as Limbaugh calls them.
Posted by L.K.Weber on Saturday, April 22 2006 05:29 AM

Apple needs to look internaly for who leaked info. Once it's out there all bets are off.
Posted by Al Shumate on Saturday, April 22 2006 05:48 AM

Slippery slope leads to China....CIA just purged someone for speaking to the press...find the employee who leaked it and fire them but don't expect the courts to solve an internal issue...the courts are backlogged enough..
Posted by frank morgan on Saturday, April 22 2006 06:15 AM

Yes, your honor, Apple does produce a computer-like product, but it is not a *legitimate* computer, inasmuch as it does not interoperate with most common computer software. Therefore, your honor, we ask that Apple computer be barred from producing any computer-like products unless they are sanctioned by Microsoft. They have no legitimate role here; they are merely feeding the public's insatiable desire for computer-like products. Thank you, your honor.
Posted by anonymous on Saturday, April 22 2006 03:14 PM

If it's ok to call yourself a "journalist" and disclose the plans of a corporation then I suppose it would also be ok to SELL those plans to a competitor. Or I guess it would also be ok to buy/sell stock in that corporation just before disclosing the "news" to the world. As a "journalist" I would have that right wouldn't I? And I could share the money I made with the insider that gave me the trade secret couldn't I? Because, well, I call myself a "journalist".

Personally, I'm pretty happy about all this outrage by the free speech crowd because it degrades and demeans the meaning of the word "journalist"...which is a good thing. The less respect the public has for journalism the better.
Posted by Lawrence Krupp on Saturday, April 22 2006 08:40 PM

Posting for Profit or Public Knowledge. We all no people who can't keep a secret, companies should be better at not letting these people have their secrets.
It shouldn't matter if they are Paper Journalists or Electronic Journalists they should be able to print what they want as long as it's factual.
Posted by BiLL on Sunday, April 23 2006 12:41 AM

The real question is: Do members of the traditional press have "rights" other than the ordinary citizen? I think not.
Posted by Douglas Nelson on Sunday, April 23 2006 12:41 AM

IF INTERNET WRITERS CANT HAVE THE SAME RESPECT AS NEWSPAPER REPORTERS THEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST LICENSE ALL NEWSPAPER AND TV REPORTERS AND REQUIRE A FULL DEGREE FROM A COLLEGE. THAT WAY WHEN THOSE REPORTERS THAT MAKE UP THEIR OWN NEWS AND SLANT, MISSTATE, AND FAIL TO PRINT OR REVEAL ALL THE NEWS, THEIR LICENSE CAN BE TAKEN AWAY AND THEY ARE NO LONGER REPORTERS, JUST LIKE DOCTORS AND ATTORNEYS
Posted by DON MCDIARMID JR. on Sunday, April 23 2006 05:34 AM

I've been a journalist since 1965 -- about 40 years in print, the last two on-line. Standards of on-line reporting are the same high standards of ethical print journalists. Reporting is reporting, ethics are ethics. With print outlets partnering with private industry, the honesty of coverage is threatened by beancounters and bottomliners and bottomfeeders. The decency and integrity of online journalists may be the last bastion of a free press.
Larry Powell
www.readlarrypowell.com
Posted by Larry Powell on Sunday, April 23 2006 05:46 AM

Yea, they're not real journalists just as Ben Franklin, writing as Silence Dogood and Thomas Paine writing Common Sense were not REAL journalists. IMHO if you write and the public reads, no matter the medium, then you are a journalist and subject to all the protections and responsibilities that our Constitution gives free speech.
Posted by Thomas Williams on Sunday, April 23 2006 06:36 AM

Likewise, apples aren't real computers.
Posted by Dale on Sunday, April 23 2006 07:55 AM

Apple, like any other manufacturer has the right to defend itself prior to an official product release. Often these internet reporters are undercover and without identity; it is quite probable this latest story is by some wanker on Microsoft's payroll......
Posted by Edward Marley on Sunday, April 23 2006 08:20 AM

Live By The Sword, Die By The Sword. Apple is now trying to stifle the medium they helped to create. Hypocritical to say the least, very scary if this is true.
The internet has leveled the playing field. Does Apple think we should only believe the "Old Media" who relies on big advertising dollars and skewed reporting to get our news? I don't think so....
Posted by Joseph J. Caruso on Sunday, April 23 2006 11:27 PM

28 year photojournalist believes that professionalism, ethics, and integrity are just as important, if not more so, on the NET, as in print.

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