Wikipedia alternative aims to be 'PBS of the Web'

By Daniel Terdiman, CNET News.com
Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:19 AM

A new online information service launching in early 2006 aims to build on the model of free online encyclopedia Wikipedia by inviting acknowledged experts in a range of subjects to review material contributed by the general public.

Called Digital Universe, the project is the brainchild of, among others, USWeb founder Joe Firmage and Larry Sanger, one of Wikipedia's earliest creators.

By providing a service they're calling "the PBS of the Web," the Digital Universe team hopes to create a new era of free and open access to wide swaths of information on virtually any topic.

"The vision of the Digital Universe is to essentially provide an ad-free alternative to the likes of AOL and Yahoo on the Internet," said Firmage. "Instead of building it through Web robots, we're building it through a web of experts at hundreds of institutions throughout the world."

Their idea is particularly timely given recent questions about Wikipedia's accuracy and credibility. A frequently raised criticism of the constantly growing repository of information has been that the millions of articles created by a worldwide community of contributors are not verified by experts.

Of course, that has always been Wikipedia's modus operandi--that its articles are written and vetted by its community, not by an elite corps of Ph.D.s. Yet there are some who feel that while the site has a satisfying populist appeal, and may be on par with the Encyclopedia Britannica when it comes to accuracy, it still suffers from a lack of true accountability.

By including articles that have been approved by experts, Digital Universe will have such reliability, its founders say.

The problem that Firmage and his colleagues are trying to solve is finding a financially viable way to back up an endless supply of no-cost and ad-free articles written by the general public with review and certification by subject-area experts.

There have been previous attempts at this. In fact, Sanger and Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales were behind the last major attempt, known as Nupedia. But that effort died when it failed to generate the kind of critical mass that Wikipedia has--more than 45,000 active users and nearly 900,000 articles in English alone--over the last couple of years.

Avoiding past pitfalls
But Firmage, Sanger and Digital Universe President Bernard Haisch think their project can avoid the pitfalls of its predecessors. They've created a system built around the idea of portals--one for each major subject area, such as climate change, energy, education, the solar system and so on. Each portal will contain many different kinds of resources.

"There will be a lot of resources of different kinds that are actually prepared by experts and the general public under the management of experts," Sanger explained. "So this would include an encyclopedia, but also public-domain books, participatory journalism, forums of various kinds and so forth."

While the Digital Universe will be free to anyone, it has a business model, Firmage said. The idea is that it will partner with nonprofit organizations including NASA, the American Museum of Natural History and U.C. Berkeley and sell Digital Universe-branded Internet service to their members. He said subscribers would pay no more than what they currently pay for Internet service, and would get the benefit of knowing that some of their fees are going to supporting the organizations, as well as the Digital Universe itself.


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Posted by dustin collett on Thursday, December 22 2005 11:00 AM

This is completely insane, they should be charging for this kind of service! Who wants another PBS? I sure dont. I can see it now.. The whole service will start out fine, but then, when you go to visit the page you get ambushed by a fund raising marathon hat you can't escape with big bird as the host! Free information, bleh! Call me when it costs something.
Posted by icantbeserious on Thursday, December 22 2005 11:21 AM

About.com comes very close to doing this already (except they have experts writing, and might not have /quite/ the depth).

(web link)
Posted by anonymous on Thursday, December 22 2005 02:22 PM

What's a PBS?
Posted by anonymous on Thursday, December 22 2005 06:00 PM

Firmage is the king of illusion, as he has no degree he spends an inordinate amount of time repspecting those that do. Wikipedia and other "unexpert" sources of information have been shown to be more accurate and less distorted by "group think" than expert solutions.

As an ex-USWeb guy all I can say to investors is get in early or run, Joe is a huckster.
Posted by Joe Stafura on Friday, December 23 2005 01:35 AM

What on earth is a PBS?
Posted by anonymous on Friday, January 06 2006 09:34 PM

This is fantastic, a great informational tool with meaningfull content and presented in an active visual format. This is revolutionary.
Posted by nuby sears on Wednesday, January 11 2006 11:58 PM

The concept of expertise is a foundation of both journalism and science. Always has been, and always will be. Imagine what would happen to the quality of work of the world's news media, industries, hospitals and universities if they declared that college degrees will no longer matter in hiring decisions.

There is room on the Web for a non-commercial network of portals built with full, open involvement of the public, within a well-organized, widely distributed process of editorial review, with no central autocratic ruler. That is what we are building. Anyone will be able to contribute to the portals of the Digital Universe, so there is no loss of grass-roots capacity for growth and breadth; it's just nice to know that there has been professional review of information presented within these portals.

As for USWeb, well, I'm quite proud of what we built during my time there. Far from illusion, it was one of the best run and most competently staffed organizations in the industry at that time. At the end of my tenure, it was also very successful financially. A year and a half after I left the company, the industry collapsed and took most of that sector with it. Indeed, I predicted it before the Internet economy crash hit, and warned of what was coming.

The dangerous illusions, these days mainly, are based upon the belief that the current media and businesses in general are anything like they could be, in terms of building a better world. Those are the real illusions. It was the depth of that realization that motivated me to refocus my life in 1998 on "big picture" questions and projects that stand a real chance of solving some extremely serious challenges.

Thus, ambitious endeavors are needed, and they require a lot of vision and hard work and time to realize.

Wait and see what we introduce in coming days. It is very real and very important. For sure, it is only the pilot or blueprint of a multi-year effort ahead, but it points clearly towards a remarkable destination.
Posted by Joe Firmage on Thursday, January 12 2006 02:40 PM

wikipedia has lots of administrators and users that have obsessive compulsive disorders. they are not there to contribute, they all have gone crazy. for example, this administrator khoikohi has obsessive compulsive disorder. he does not care to make this site better, he is just here to do the nerdy revenge. that is right.

first, he repeatedly reverted the vandalized version of cultural revolution.

now he keeps reverting those two redirect article of "Chinese government" and "Government of China."

this guy khoikhoi kept reverting it to Government of the People's Republic of China. that seems to be fine. but look at this one that he did.

for "Chinese government", he did not rediret to the same "Government of the People's Republic of China." instead, he kept reverting it to "Politics of the People's Republic of China," and in that article, it doesn't even have a link to "government of prc."

so for "Chinese government" and "Government of China", the so-called online encyclopedia does not even list the same article. even a little kid should know that they should stand for the same thing. but that is not what wikipedia thinks.

when someone tried to point out that mistake, it was deleted due to "personal attack." And the mistake remains the same. further, that OCD patient khoikhoi even put those two articles under protection, so people can't edit it any more.

now we know why wikipedia is not a realiable source for information. and it sure attracts lots of OCD patients. that site is becoming a part of their daily obsessive compulsive disorder routine. they must revert and revert, otherwise they can't sleep well or function normal.
Posted by anonymous on Sunday, January 07 2007 09:18 AM

this is it
Has anyone out there heard about WideCircles.com. It seems like a way better service then wasting money on PPC. Apparently they are using refering websites ( forums, blogs, wiki, etc. ) and have a viral word of mouth distributed approach to it. My friend told me he got around 100 visits from single post which cost him $0.40c. I am going to give them a try today . In case you are intrested here is it. (web link)
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