Wikipedia alternative aims to be 'PBS of the Web'

By Daniel Terdiman, CNET News.com
Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:19 AM

In any case, the encyclopedia element of the project is the one that is the most similar to Wikipedia. But where Wales' project has just one kind of article--those created and vetted by users--the Digital Universe's encyclopedia will have two separate and distinct tiers: publicly written articles that are not certified by the experts as accurate, and those that are.

"Both categories are specifically labeled as such," Firmage said. "People (will) know what they're looking at, so they know if it's been looked at or reviewed by someone who knows what they're talking about."

"In the Digital Universe, a Ph.D. matters, and in the Wikipedia universe, a Ph.D. does not matter."
--Joe Firmage, Digital Universe co-founder

That dynamic, as well as a line on the Digital Universe site that refers to itself as a project that "will become the largest reliable information resource in history" might lead one to think that Firmage and his team are taking indirect digs at Wikipedia.

Firmage, in fact, said the line is unapologetically direct.

"In the Digital Universe, a Ph.D. matters, and in the Wikipedia universe, a Ph.D. does not matter," Firmage said. "I believe that is a fundamental problem with the Wikipedia model. I'm all for public contribution, and Digital Universe will invite content contributions from the general public.

"But in terms of editorial supervision, we would all agree that a Ph.D. matters, whether it's history, sociology, physics or environmental science," he added. "Surely you would want to be operated on by an M.D. when it comes time for surgery."

For his part, Wales said he finds what he's seen of the Digital Universe project "interesting" and isn't too concerned about whether it will undercut Wikipedia.

"We're a community and we do what we do, and we don't think in terms of whether something's competing with us, or whether it's complementary," Wales said. "It sounds like a cool thing on the Web. (But) it doesn't really affect us."

To be sure, when Digital Universe launches in January, it won't have anywhere near the depth and breadth of Wikipedia's information. But like Wikipedia--which launched in January 2001 with just 20 articles and has expanded steadily since--Digital Universe founders expect their project to grow slowly and organically.

It will launch with about a dozen subject-area portals, Firmage said, but will add a new portal every two to three weeks.

According to Firmage, experts, many of whom have already been lined up, will be paid to work part-time vetting articles. The initial funding will come from US$10 million raised over the last three years from angel investors and others.

To Sanger, the experts will want to be involved in the project because of its vision of being "a free, nonprofit and authoritative information resource (that has) never before been tried."

Some of those involved agree.

"It will be the first Web-based information resource that combines the trustworthiness and authority of scientific review and governance with the power of Web-based collaboration, all enabled by a state-of-the-art technology platform," wrote three Ph.D.s, Cutler Cleveland, Jim Lester and Peter Saundry, the chair and vice chairs, respectively, of the project's Environmental Information Coalition.

"As such, the (Digital Universe)," they wrote in an open letter, "will be a direct conduit of objective information from scientists and educators to decision makers and civil society at large."


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Posted by dustin collett on Thursday, December 22 2005 11:00 AM

This is completely insane, they should be charging for this kind of service! Who wants another PBS? I sure dont. I can see it now.. The whole service will start out fine, but then, when you go to visit the page you get ambushed by a fund raising marathon hat you can't escape with big bird as the host! Free information, bleh! Call me when it costs something.
Posted by icantbeserious on Thursday, December 22 2005 11:21 AM

About.com comes very close to doing this already (except they have experts writing, and might not have /quite/ the depth).

ourstory.about.com
Posted by anonymous on Thursday, December 22 2005 02:22 PM

What's a PBS?
Posted by anonymous on Thursday, December 22 2005 06:00 PM

Firmage is the king of illusion, as he has no degree he spends an inordinate amount of time repspecting those that do. Wikipedia and other "unexpert" sources of information have been shown to be more accurate and less distorted by "group think" than expert solutions.

As an ex-USWeb guy all I can say to investors is get in early or run, Joe is a huckster.
Posted by Joe Stafura on Friday, December 23 2005 01:35 AM

What on earth is a PBS?
Posted by anonymous on Friday, January 06 2006 09:34 PM

RE: public airways
public funding of commentary on issues of interest at the media conference after the stephen sears attorney seminar.
Posted by christie chen on Thursday, July 09 2009 08:21 AM

This is fantastic, a great informational tool with meaningfull content and presented in an active visual format. This is revolutionary.
Posted by nuby sears on Wednesday, January 11 2006 11:58 PM

The concept of expertise is a foundation of both journalism and science. Always has been, and always will be. Imagine what would happen to the quality of work of the world's news media, industries, hospitals and universities if they declared that college degrees will no longer matter in hiring decisions.

There is room on the Web for a non-commercial network of portals built with full, open involvement of the public, within a well-organized, widely distributed process of editorial review, with no central autocratic ruler. That is what we are building. Anyone will be able to contribute to the portals of the Digital Universe, so there is no loss of grass-roots capacity for growth and breadth; it's just nice to know that there has been professional review of information presented within these portals.

As for USWeb, well, I'm quite proud of what we built during my time there. Far from illusion, it was one of the best run and most competently staffed organizations in the industry at that time. At the end of my tenure, it was also very successful financially. A year and a half after I left the company, the industry collapsed and took most of that sector with it. Indeed, I predicted it before the Internet economy crash hit, and warned of what was coming.

The dangerous illusions, these days mainly, are based upon the belief that the current media and businesses in general are anything like they could be, in terms of building a better world. Those are the real illusions. It was the depth of that realization that motivated me to refocus my life in 1998 on "big picture" questions and projects that stand a real chance of solving some extremely serious challenges.

Thus, ambitious endeavors are needed, and they require a lot of vision and hard work and time to realize.

Wait and see what we introduce in coming days. It is very real and very important. For sure, it is only the pilot or blueprint of a multi-year effort ahead, but it points clearly towards a remarkable destination.
Posted by Joe Firmage on Thursday, January 12 2006 02:40 PM

wikipedia has lots of administrators and users that have obsessive compulsive disorders. they are not there to contribute, they all have gone crazy. for example, this administrator khoikohi has obsessive compulsive disorder. he does not care to make this site better, he is just here to do the nerdy revenge. that is right.

first, he repeatedly reverted the vandalized version of cultural revolution.

now he keeps reverting those two redirect article of "Chinese government" and "Government of China."

this guy khoikhoi kept reverting it to Government of the People's Republic of China. that seems to be fine. but look at this one that he did.

for "Chinese government", he did not rediret to the same "Government of the People's Republic of China." instead, he kept reverting it to "Politics of the People's Republic of China," and in that article, it doesn't even have a link to "government of prc."

so for "Chinese government" and "Government of China", the so-called online encyclopedia does not even list the same article. even a little kid should know that they should stand for the same thing. but that is not what wikipedia thinks.

when someone tried to point out that mistake, it was deleted due to "personal attack." And the mistake remains the same. further, that OCD patient khoikhoi even put those two articles under protection, so people can't edit it any more.

now we know why wikipedia is not a realiable source for information. and it sure attracts lots of OCD patients. that site is becoming a part of their daily obsessive compulsive disorder routine. they must revert and revert, otherwise they can't sleep well or function normal.
Posted by anonymous on Sunday, January 07 2007 09:18 AM

this is it
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