Debian delayed as community loses interest

By Richard Thurston, ZDNet UK
Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:09 PM

The upcoming release of Debian is being delayed because of a slowdown by key developers.

Debian GNU/Linux 4.0--the next version of the Linux distribution--was due to be released by December 4, meaning that it is already more than two weeks late.

Now one of Debian's release managers has started pointing his finger at key individuals.

In a blog posted on Tuesday, Andreas Barth wrote, "Some people who used to do good work reduced their involvement drastically. There was nothing I could do about that, and that happened way before I started full-time on (the) release, but on the global picture, that still counts."

Barth and his fellow release manager, Steve Langasek, have been at the center of a controversy over the last few months, having accepted up to $6,000 of funding each for working full-time on Debian version 4, which is code-named Etch.

The funding for Barth and Langasek has been raised by an "experiment" called Dunc-Tank, which aims to speed the release of Etch.

But the establishment of the group may have backfired, as it has angered many unpaid developers. They argue that Dunc-Tank is turning Debian into a two-class system, which could have a negative effect on the distribution. Some have called for the resignation of the two release managers.

A group of 17 developers, led by well-known Debian maintainer Joerg Jaspert, issued a position statement in October citing its disenchantment with Dunc-Tank. It read, "This whole affair already hurts Debian more than it can ever achieve. It already made a lot of people who have contributed a huge amount of time and work to Debian reduce their work. People left the project, others are orphaning packages...system administration and security work is reduced, and a lot of otherwise silent maintainers simply put off Debian work (to) work on something else."

But Barth insisted that Dunc-Tank isn't entirely to blame. He wrote in his blog, "I think Dunc-Tank helped us with (the) release of Etch, but the help could have been greater if some people wouldn't behave as childish as they do."

Barth said he is happy with the involvement of "most" developers, and he added that there are additional reasons for the delay. He did not elaborate on those reasons.

"I thought, at least within Debian, we don't want to fall (into) the usual management mistake of only speaking about how great everything is but be honest to ourselves," Barth added.

Etch is now fully frozen, but no release date has been made public.

Debian has a long history of being late, ever since its first version in 1997. This is one of the reasons why entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth launched alternative Linux distribution Ubuntu two years ago.


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it's a great shame as Debian has always been held up as the standard by which other linux distros should be judged - in terms of impartiality, freedom from restrictive licenses, stability/reliability and quality of installation and package management.

the good news is that even if Debian flounders, most of the hard work will live on in other distros like knoppix, ubuntu etc which use the technology if not the specific builds and package feeds.
Posted by Paul M on Thursday, December 21 2006 05:28 AM

Having 2 managers take money is a disgraceful insult to all the people who have put countless days work in Debian for free. Are these 2 managers in some way more important than the developers - the people actually building the product? I think not. It should be other way around if anything!
Posted by Grr at the greedy ones on Thursday, December 21 2006 03:00 PM

If they had money to spend the shoud have spen it on best developers, or on bounty for some features or even on bunch of cool T-shirts to send to all developers. Giving it to managers has put into question their respect and authority towards developers that work for free. I beleve that there is notion among developers that if they can program for free because of their altruistic motives why should managers be payed.
Posted by anonymous on Thursday, December 21 2006 03:20 PM

Please get your facts straight before posting articles like this. For example, "first version in 1997" is blatantly incorrect, as simple research would show.

Secondly, you've based a story on a blog entry by Andi Barth without actually linking to that blog entry.
Posted by anonymous on Thursday, December 21 2006 07:48 PM

Debian has always stated that it releases "when its ready" and has never been late based upon those guidelines. It strives for a balance between quality and timeliness. The next released version of Debian, Etch, had a deadline in December not to 'release' but to determine it release status against stated goals. If all goes well Etch should be done in January 2007. I really wish journalists would ask the actual people in Debian and not just quote some email because the journalists do not understand the context of anything they write.
Posted by Kevin Mark on Thursday, December 21 2006 09:51 PM

Ubuntu isn't an alternative Linux distribution, it is a Debian distro with a bunch of crap added to it.

If Shuttleworth wants to imply that he and his bloatware has create a new distro then they should create a new distro. He certainly has enough money to make it happen.
Posted by Cliff Landin on Friday, December 22 2006 07:24 AM

The next release is finished when it is ready ship.

Purported release dates are always just estimates of work still to be done, often too optimistic, but not bussiness deadlines. Other distributions may compromise in features, stability or security to get out "on time", but that is not the Debian way.
Posted by anonymous on Friday, December 22 2006 10:19 AM


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